U141100 ошибка vag - Решение и исправление самых разных ошибок на TopOshibok.ru

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So, starting last night, the door handle sensor stopped locking and unlocking, had to use the remote to unlock and lock, and engine started normally and instantly, but a dash warning says «Electrical system: Low battery, battery will charge when driven» or something like that briefly and everything back to normal, and door handle sensor would work if I stop engine and lock it right away, but if I wait like 5 mins or so, the sensor won’t work, does this look like the battery is charging but dropping voltage rapidly?

It’s a 1.5 yrs old Varta EFB battery, I never use Start/Stop. Scan came back with U141100 Battery terminal recognition open circuit, and battery is at 13.7x with engine running and 12.1x with engine off, does this sound like a bad battery or should I have the alternator looked at? Thanks!

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Looks like a bad battery to me. If it was alternator then you wouldnt get about 14v when engine is running.
Modern starters can start will low voltage unlike the old days when that was the tell tale signs of a bad battery.
If you only do short journeys it might be worth shoving the battery on a slow charger over night to see if it helps. Or try and claim on the warranty, varta batteries has like 5 or 7 year warranty.

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Not wanting to sound a bit ignorant but open circuit usually means «no connection» as in broken wire or damaged/blown fuse.
Are all the battery leads connected/undamaged.

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Not wanting to sound a bit ignorant but open circuit usually means «no connection» as in broken wire or damaged/blown fuse.
Are all the battery leads connected/undamaged.

Yup, first thing I checked, everything seems normal at the battery, and I don’t believe there’s a fuse for the battery itself?

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Could be a relay or fuse for the main charging circuit.

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13.7V across the battery terminals with the engine running is far too low. An alternator should be charging at 14.2/14.5 V . A fully charged battery will sit above the 12.1 V you have, more like 12.5 V. 12.1V is heavily discharged.

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13.7V across the battery terminals with the engine running is far too low. An alternator should be charging at 14.2/14.5 V . A fully charged battery will sit above the 12.1 V you have, more like 12.5 V. 12.1V is heavily discharged.

JS

Meaning it could be alternator issue rather than battery?

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13.7V across the battery terminals with the engine running is far too low. An alternator should be charging at 14.2/14.5 V . A fully charged battery will sit above the 12.1 V you have, more like 12.5 V. 12.1V is heavily discharged.

JS

13.7v could be just tick over revs. Give it some revs and if it doesn’t rise above 14v then maybe look at the alternator.

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Meaning it could be alternator issue rather than battery?

It looks like that to me. The car is accurately reporting the fact the battery is in a low state of charge, so alternator is a suspect.
JS

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Bring the revs up to 2000 and see if it hits about 14v+ that will tell you if it’s alternator. If you are measuring with the car just ticking over it’s not going to be on full charge.

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Car’s at idle when measuring… Should go over 14v if bringing it up to 2000. So as long as it’s 14.x at 2K above, it should be battery?

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Car’s at idle when measuring… Should go over 14v if bringing it up to 2000. So as long as it’s 14.x at 2K above, it should be battery?

Yes, should be 14.2/14.5V at an engine speed of a couple of thousand revs/min. Just a thought, are you using the car regularly?

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It’s my daily, yes, just seems a little odd that the EFB could only last 1.5 years…

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any idea? Thanks…

8521278 — Battery terminal recognition
U1411 00 [008] — Open circuit
[New feature! Extended UDS fault detail is only supported by current gen. interfaces]
Intermittent — Confirmed — Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 1
Fault Frequency: 2
Reset counter: 100
Mileage: 52795 km
Date: 2020.01.22
Time: 19:40:11

Supply voltage: Terminal 30: 12.6 V
Terminal 15: On

what/where is terminal 30 and 15 ?

Supply voltage: Terminal 30: 12.6 V
Terminal 15: On

any idea? Thanks…

8521278 — Battery terminal recognition
U1411 00 [008] — Open circuit
[New feature! Extended UDS fault detail is only supported by current gen. interfaces]
Intermittent — Confirmed — Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 1
Fault Frequency: 2
Reset counter: 100
Mileage: 52795 km
Date: 2020.01.22
Time: 19:40:11

Supply voltage: Terminal 30: 12.6 V
Terminal 15: On

Hi, have you solved this by any chance?

I’ve been getting this a lot lately also. Going crazy trying to figure out the problem. My steering gets heavy also when this happens. I’ve checked all battery connections and grounds and peeked at all the fuses. Battery voltage is in the high 13’s when car is on.

I’m stumped idk what else to check.

I’ve been getting this a lot lately also. Going crazy trying to figure out the problem. My steering gets heavy also when this happens. I’ve checked all battery connections and grounds and peeked at all the fuses. Battery voltage is in the high 13’s when car is on. View attachment 184846I’m stumped idk what else to check.

Any luck on finding the issue? Steering when heavy as well. I scanned and had the same U141100 Battery Terminal Recognition code.

Any luck on finding the issue? Steering when heavy as well. I scanned and had the same U141100 Battery Terminal Recognition code.

I never really found the root cause. It’s a strange thing that I tried solving countless times. I have to check my obdeleven to see exactly what I did, but I did a bunch of basic relearns and adaptations but that didn’t get me anywhere. Fortunately it hasn’t happened in a good while, ever since I changed my dsg fluid. But that should have absolutely no correlation. Only possible connection I can think of is putting the battery terminals back on in the wrong order by accident when I did my mounts and it somehow messes with the ecu till I did my dsg fluid change and rehooked the terminals in the correct order?! It’s a stretch and I doubt it but I really can’t say, VW electrical gremlins maybe?

Not even possible to hook up battery wrong. Cables not long enough. Possible they weren’t tightened properly.

Not even possible to hook up battery wrong. Cables not long enough. Possible they weren’t tightened properly.

Lmao, I didn’t mean actually hooking the terminals up to the wrong posts. Meant the wrong order as in rehooking the negative first vs the positive first, although I guess it can be argued if that even matters. They were definitely tightened down, checked fuses and grounds, nada. And like I said I highly doubt there’s any correlation, just saying what I did. It hasn’t come back *knocks on wood* but I’d say it’s just a matter of time because I never found the root problem.

I’m struggling with this issue
It just came back today, has anyone managed to solve it ?

Hi, have you solved this by any chance?

Hi did you solve this issue ?

I’ve been getting this a lot lately also. Going crazy trying to figure out the problem. My steering gets heavy also when this happens. I’ve checked all battery connections and grounds and peeked at all the fuses. Battery voltage is in the high 13’s when car is on. View attachment 184846I’m stumped idk what else to check.

Hi did you manage to solve this issue on your car ?

Hey All,

I am wondering if you found a way to solve the issue with high RPM and steering it was getting heavy after a while?

At the begin sorry for my english but I had same issue with my Skoda Octavia 3 rs. I fighted with this since 2 years, I did many unnecessairly things.
Here is my link where I described issues what i had.. Hopefully teanslator will tramnslate it correctly you will be able understand all..

https://octavia.team/temat/3479-roz…-i-wysokie-obroty/?tab=comments#comment-51487

Sorry for link but it a long strory to write again..

Back to the subject.. for me helped change the IBS sensor on the battery.. All problems with U141100 and U140600 didnt appeard again.

I am shering this info because no one from the so skilled services guys wasnt able helps me, only adviced me to change realy expensive parts but this IBS part cosnt me 6 euro (used one).

Right now I mafde 2k km and all good, what previously happened (heavy steering nad RPM) each time while I was going a litle longer distance.

Hopehully it will helps u to..

Cheers..

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30.07.2021, 18:36

#11

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Сообщение от Razer

Проверьте напряжение при заведённом двигателе.

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30.07.2021, 20:12

#12

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Кот из мешка, точнее из мануала

Автоматическое отключение потребителей
Сначала прочтите и примите к сведению и на стр 218.
Блок управления бортовой сети при сильной нагрузке на АКБ автоматиче-
ски принимает меры против её разрядки. Об этом может свидетельство-
вать следующее.
› Увеличиваются обороты холостого хода (для увеличения тока, выдавае-
мого генератором в бортовую сеть).
› В некоторых случаях мощность крупных потребителей систем комфорта,
например подогрева сидений, обогрева заднего стекла, может ограничи-
ваться, или при необходимости они могут отключаться полностью.
ОСТОРОЖНО
? В некоторых случаях система управления бортовой сетью не может
предотвратить разряда аккумуляторной батареи. Например, если при вы-
ключенном двигателе долгое время включено зажигание или при длитель-
ной стоянке горят габаритные/стояночные огни.
? Потребители, работающие от розетки 12 В, при выключенном зажигании
могут привести к разрядке аккумуляторной батареи.
Примечание
Возможное автоматическое отключение потребителей не приводит к сни-
жению комфортабельности поездки и, как правило, водитель его вообще
не замечает.

Почему у тебя ошибка появляется надо разбираться досконально.
30.07.2021, 21:25

#13

Ас

там явно что то связано с АКБ ,судя по логам сначала появляетсяошибка 8521278 — Распознавание подключения АКБ U1411 00 [009] — обрыв цепи [Spannung Fahrbatterie mechanischer Fehler]
Подтверждено — протестировано после удаления записей Стоп-кадр: Биты состояния: 00000001 Приоритетность: 1 Счётчик возникновения ошибки: 21 Индекс забывания: 190
Пробег: 103945 km Дата: 2021.07.21 Время: 19:07:18

потом уже

неисправность:1048836 — Уменьшение оборотов вентилятора системой рег. энергопотребления B10CE 00 [009] — —
Подтверждено — протестировано после удаления записей Стоп-кадр: Биты состояния: 00000001 Приоритетность: 6 Счётчик возникновения ошибки: 21 Индекс забывания: 190
Пробег: 103945 km Дата: 2021.07.21 Время: 19:07:37
03.08.2021, 11:34

#14

Ученик

Короче, вроде решил проблему (по крайней мере целы день все стабильно работало). Был прописал АКБ через Васю, сразу решил затестить (видимо надо было подождать немного) — был такой же результат. Но спустя пару сотен километров, решил попробовать повторно и все пока что гуд. Врубил все что можно из электрики (кроме водительского подогрева, лето все таки ) и все было гуд на протяжении всего дня при 100% нагрузке на гену, единственное — стали глючить кнопки на руле, но это видимо совсем другая история (магнитола не родная).
Всем кто что то советовал спасибо.
03.08.2021, 15:48

#15

Super Moderator

Сильно емкость старого и нового АКБ отличалась и про тип ни слова. Через время напиши проблема совсем ушла.
10.04.2022, 13:29

#16

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Сообщение от alexiv

Сильно емкость старого и нового АКБ отличалась и про тип ни слова. Через время напиши проблема совсем ушла.

Да, отличалась довольно сильно. Было прописано 70, а новый акум 85. Проблема пока больше не проявлялась.

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Hi guys! I need your help…

History;

Customer complains of bad battery, battery and later alternator gets replaced. Problems persist.

I get the car and do battery coding, seems to work fine. Customer comes back; AC, Radio and Start/Stop not working. After some investigating I see that the car goes into “Energy Management” and turns off everything not essential to save power. I check -Communication with alternator and battery. Intermittent faults of “U141100 Battery terminal recognition Open circuit“. I replaced the -cable between current-sensor/alternator/databox under the dash. No more U141100-errors. Energy saving problem persists.

I remove the (new) alternator and send it to my supplier for checking, they test it (and -communication) and it turns out fine.

Battery management is handled by the CAN-gateway and not a separate . The only thing I now see that does not make sense is that the “IDE01855 Generator Current” value is constantly under reporting with a factor of 1.5-3x. So, for example, If the value is 9A it’s actually (measured with a clamp meter) 21A.

The IDE01855-value does not seem to come from the alternator as it does not immediately “disappear” if I disconnect the alternator. It updates for a minute or so, and then disappears.

I see some hints of the possibility to do adaptations of the alternator load, but I can not find such adaptation. I also see some “generator” parameters in the long coding of the CAN-gateway, but no documentation.

My adoption of the battery capacity also seems to “go away” after some time and changes to 73Ah.

Does anyone have any idea?

Best Regards!

Link to picture of PR-Code https://mega.nz/file/mFcFAYbI#JaAhI_ZTD8Xr_Wn0YX0mojh9rXOKBTgIIQaxZdbeMac

AUTO-Scan:

Code:

VIN: WVWZZZ6RZFY1695XX   License Plate: POLON-AUTOSCAN
Mileage: 74765km-46456mi   Repair Order:



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Chassis Type: 6R-VW26 (6C0)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 10 13 15 17 19 44 5F

VIN: WVWZZZ6RZFY1695XX   Mileage: 74765km-46456miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
13-Auto Dist. Reg -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (J623-CJZC)       Labels:. 04E-907-309-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 04E 906 027 BB    HW: 04E 907 309 AF
   Component: 1.2l R4 TSI   H21 8228 
   Revision: R5H21---   
   Coding: 01250032232411080000
   Shop #: WSC 45919 002 1048576
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM12TFS01104E906027BB 001006
   ROD: EV_ECM12TFS01104E906027BB.rod
   VCID: 65826D5F64F81DAE80-8030

   CAN Converter 01:

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 02: Auto Trans (J743)       Labels: 0CW-927-769.clb
   Part No SW: 0CW 300 046 G    HW: 0AM 927 769 K
   Component: GSG DQ200-MQB H43 5207 
   Revision: 00043014    Serial number: CU501409147477
   Coding: 0014
   Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMDQ200021 001001
   ROD: EV_TCMDQ200021_VW26.rod
   VCID: 3E30E233A1EE6E7621-806A

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 6R0-907-37x-ESP90.clb
   Part No SW: 6C0 907 379 G    HW: 6R0 907 379 BA
   Component: ESP9.0i       H03 0003 
   Serial number: 08501474140717
   Coding: 21DD2885892933C9111910700056841491CC88080005CBF98F00
   Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1ESP90iBOSCHPQ26 100018
   ROD: EV_Brake1ESP90iBOSCHPQ26.rod
   VCID: 3326C3079AACB31EDE-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels:| 6C0-907-044.clb
   Part No SW: 6C0 907 044 A    HW: 6C0 907 044 A
   Component: Climatronic   H02 0104 
   Serial number:  1409172A-0409
   Coding: 200000001001100001
   Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ACClimaValeoPQ26 003001
   ROD: EV_ACClimaValeoPQ26_001_SK26.rod
   VCID: 2208364335562A9625-8076

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:| 6C0-937-089-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 6C0 937 089 A    HW: 6C0 937 089
   Component: BCM PQ26 Hi4R H06 0047 
   Serial number: 009458011640
   Coding: 0000185042530AFB4B844000402F07C810005B0253010000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
   ASAM Dataset: EV_BCMA0 004003
   ROD: EV_MQBA0.rod
   VCID: 2E10D273718E9EF6B1-807A

   Rain Light Recognition Sensor:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5Q0 955 547 A    HW: 5Q0 955 547 A  Labels: 5Q0-955-547.CLB
   Component: RLHS  037 0059
   Serial number: S4Y14M09D22H18M00S13
   Coding: 0038DD

   Drivers Door Control Module:
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 AT    HW: 6R0 959 801 AT  Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB
   Component: J386__TSG_FT  003 8612
   Serial number: KU0KU029091442721214
   Coding: 0400A0

   Front Passengers Door Control Module:
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 BE    HW: 6R0 959 802 BE  Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB
   Component: J387__TSG_BT  003 8612
   Serial number: KU0KU026091442692280
   Coding: 1400A0

   Drivers Door Rear Control Module:
   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 811 N    HW: 6R0 959 811 N
   Component: J388__TSG_HL  003 8610
   Serial number: KU0KU030091442737009
   Coding: 0400A0

   Passengers Rear Door Control Module:
   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 812 N    HW: 6R0 959 812 N
   Component: J389__TSG_HR  003 8610
   Serial number: KU0KU029091442726709
   Coding: 1400A0

No fault code found.

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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J791)       Labels:| 5Q0-919-294.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 919 294 E    HW: 5Q0 919 294 A
   Component: PARKHILFE 8K  H03 0048 
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 39331426300522
   Coding: 0011051011
   Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
   ASAM Dataset: EV_EPHVA18AU3700000 002024
   ROD: EV_EPHVA18AU3700000_VW26.rod
   VCID: 3D32E53FACE8756E38-8068

No fault code found.

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Address 13: Auto Dist. Reg (J428)       Labels:| 5Q0-907-572-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 907 572 F    HW: 5Q0 907 572 F
   Component: ACC Bosch MQB H05 0400 
   Serial number: 31051904400032
   Coding: 00001000FE0739
   Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ACCMRRBoschVW372 001016
   ROD: EV_ACCMRRBoschVW372_VW26.rod
   VCID: 3A38EE23BDC642561D-806E

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 6C0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 6C0 959 655 B    HW: 6C0 959 655 B
   Component: VW20Airbag01B 001 0330 
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 003LN00117W2
   Coding: 88CCC000000000005C0000CA000800000000
   Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW20BPAVW26X 001001
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW20BPAVW26X.rod
   VCID: 3228C60365B6BA16D5-8066

   Side Sensor Driver Front:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 410 820 708 14
   Component: SideSensor_Df  151 0800
   Serial number: 3575H00A91628C10821B
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Side Sensor Passenger Front:
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 410 821 408 14
   Component: SideSensor_Pf  151 0800
   Serial number: 3585H00C715D4353036E
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Side Sensor Driver Rear:
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 442 152 609 14
   Component: SideSensor_Dr  1CA 0148
   Serial number: 3517A009F176F602539I
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Side Sensor Passenger Rear:
   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 442 152 609 14
   Component: SideSensor_Pr  1CA 0148
   Serial number: 3527A009D176F6031114
   Coding: 2D2D2D

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5G0-920-XXX-17.clb-SRI3
   Part No SW: 6C0 920 740 A    HW: 6C0 920 740 A
   Component: KOMBI         211 0290 
   Coding: 072409082180000800882A011000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB 009040
   ROD: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB_009_VW26.rod
   VCID: 200C3C4B3B5A388633-8074

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:| 6C0-909-901-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 6C0 909 901     HW: 6C0 937 089
   Component: GW MQB A0     H06 0047 
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 009458011640
   Coding: 030100046F0A560071000000000000010001000000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
   ASAM Dataset: EV_GatewA0Lear 001001
   ROD: EV_GatewA0Lear_001_VW26.rod
   VCID: 65826D5F64F81DAE80-8030

   Multi Function Steering Wheel Control Module:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6C0 959 442 A    HW: 6C0 959 442 A  Labels: 3C8-959-537.CLB
   Component: E221__MFL-TAT  H04 0019
   Serial number: 2691421372602079AD1B
   Coding: 280000

   Battery Monitoring Control Module:
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6C0 915 181 A    HW: 6C0 915 181 A
   Component: J367-BDM  H08 0223
   Serial number: 51269H47422821817375

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist (J792)       Labels:| 6Rx-909-144-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 6C1 909 144 M    HW: 6C1 909 144 D
   Component: EPS_TRW_ALow  312 3211 
   Serial number: PEAD0465
   Coding: 0007
   Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SteerAssisUDSTRW 011021
   ROD: EV_SteerAssisUDSTRW_011.rod
   VCID: 3228C60365B6BA16D5-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:| 5G0-035-MIB-ENT2.clb
   Part No SW: 6C0 035 869 B    HW: 6C0 035 869 B
   Component: MU-E--ER      820 6220 
   Serial number: 13081400011592
   Coding: 02620000BE00000041110001000000001F0000840000010000
   Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
   ASAM Dataset: EV_MUEnt4CGen2LGE 001017
   ROD: EV_MUEnt4CGen2LGE_VW26.rod
   VCID: 2A18DE634D66F2D66D-807E

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 00:51, VBatt start/end: 14.5V/14.5V)-----------

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Measurements from CAN-Gateway:

Code:

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                Address 19: CAN Gateway  (6C0 909 901 )

16:07:21
  IDE01827   Generator specified voltage value 13.5 V
  IDE01828   Generator DF Signal 51.625 %
  IDE01829   Generator exciter current 2.500 A
  IDE01830-MAS01632   Generator Status-Status Thermal OK
  IDE01830-MAS02970   Generator Status-Status 2: Mechanical OK
  IDE01830-MAS02971   Generator Status-Status 3: Electrical OK
  IDE01831-MAS03159   Generator variant-Manufacturer Robert Bosch GmbH
  IDE01831-MAS06310   Generator variant-Generator identifier Generator recognition 75-140A
  IDE01832-MAS06311   Generator regulator variant-ASIC manufacturer 0
  IDE01832-MAS06312   Generator regulator variant-ASIC variant 4
  IDE01855   Generator current 9.9 A
  IDE03588-MAS06321   System malfunctions for active participants start/stop-System malfunction generator 0
  IDE07473-MAS06303   Generator limitation-Status overvoltage limitation not active
  IDE07473-MAS06304   Generator limitation-Status overvoltage diagnosis not active
  IDE07473-MAS06305   Generator limitation-Status of diagnosis for energy balance not active
  IDE07473-MAS06306   Generator limitation-Status generator release by engine Request by Engine Control Module
  IDE07473-MAS06307   Generator limitation-Status of battery charging function not active
  IDE07473-MAS06308   Generator limitation-Power steering support active not active
  IDE07473-MAS06309   Generator limitation-Coolant fan activation request by BEM not active
  IDE08346-MAS06117   Generator Analysis-Rated voltage 13.5 V
  IDE08346-MAS06864   Generator Analysis-Generator actual voltage 13.3 V
  IDE08346-MAS06865   Generator Analysis-Voltage difference generator battery 0.0 V
  IDE03588-MAS06321   System malfunctions for active participants start/stop-System malfunction generator 0
  IDE08346-MAS06866   Generator Analysis-Generator speed 733 /min
  IDE08346-MAS06867   Generator Analysis-Generator chip temperature 76 °C
  ENG118780-ENG118447   EM_Recuperation_Precondition-battery_regeneration 1
  ENG118780-ENG118445   EM_Recuperation_Precondition-generator_diagnosis 1
  ENG118780-ENG118444   EM_Recuperation_Precondition-generator_workload 1
  IDE01836   Battery current 3.061 A
  IDE01846   Static current shutdown level Deactivation stage 0
  IDE01852   Static current measurement: result too High
  IDE01853   Static current measurement: status Cancel
  IDE03588-MAS06321   System malfunctions for active participants start/stop-System malfunction generator 0
  IDE07474-MAS06313   Adapting for energy management-Adaptation static current management not active
  IDE07637   Current charge contingent for feedback 0.0 As
  IDE08346-MAS06866   Generator Analysis-Generator speed 730 /min
  IDE08346-MAS06867   Generator Analysis-Generator chip temperature 76 °C
  ENG118780-ENG118447   EM_Recuperation_Precondition-battery_regeneration 1
  ENG118780-ENG118445   EM_Recuperation_Precondition-generator_diagnosis 1
  ENG118780-ENG118444   EM_Recuperation_Precondition-generator_workload 1
  IDE01834   Battery voltage 13.431 V
  IDE01836   Battery current 3.257 A
  IDE01837   Temperature of battery sensor 41 °C
  IDE01838   Battery temperature 25 °C
  IDE01839   Battery charge condition 83 %
  IDE01841   Battery internal resistance 5.6 mOhm
  IDE01842   Usable battery charge 50 Ah
  IDE01843   Battery voltage at rest 12.6 V
  IDE01948   Battery internal resistance not normed 5.8 mOhm
  IDE04186   Battery terminal recognition connected
  IDE06468-MAS06315   Battery model-estimated battery temperature 0 °C
  IDE06468-MAS06316   Battery model-estimated battery ambient temperature 0
  IDE06468-MAS06317   Battery model-Specification rated battery voltage from BTM 12.0 V
  IDE06468-MAS06318   Battery model-Determined parking time 0 s
  IDE07473-MAS06307   Generator limitation-Status of battery charging function not active
  IDE07474-MAS06314   Adapting for energy management-Battery coding active not active
  IDE07616   Battery degradation for start/stop - operation Phase 1
  IDE07623-MAS06328   Open-circuit voltage gateway-Battery voltage last wakeup 13.4 V
  IDE07623-MAS06329   Open-circuit voltage gateway-Batter voltage penultimate wakeup 14.3 V
  IDE07681-MAS06086   Battery total charging throughput-Total re-charge 22.2 Ah
  IDE07681-MAS06087   Battery total charging throughput-Total energy throughput 20.3 Ah
  IDE08346-MAS06865   Generator Analysis-Voltage difference generator battery 0.0 V
  IDE08347   adapted battery capacity 73 Ah

Uwe

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I remove the (new) alternator and send it to my supplier for checking, they test it (and -communication) and it turns out fine.

Aftermarket alternator?

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@Segil:Hi. I’m just guessing, but have you considered the pissabolity(?) of J367 being implicated in the fault? The hex 19 module appears to be happy in your scan report, so it believes that everything is hunky-dory — but perhaps this is because the battery monitor control module is under reporting the charge flow rate to the alternator- maybe?

As you will know, the particular circuit between the hex19 module and the Alternator on vehicles is shared with J367 — see my very cut-down version of a in my picture below. Note: this is intended as a general schematic only — it’s not specific to your Polo.

My experience with this module has been when it has failed only, or when it has been deliberately disconnected (as an inappropriate way for disabling Start Stop) — so not in the instance when it is under/over reporting to hex19. Perhaps there are test facilities for validating J367 operation in Advance Measurement Values — maybe?

In any event, perhaps check the status of the 2 x wire harness for J367 (it sits on the -ve battery terminal) -paying particular attention to pin #1 (the wire).

Again, just a hunch

Don

Last edited: Oct 16, 2020

Thank you for your reply!

Uwe;

The alternator is a BOSCH-original, F000BL08F2 (same number as the original VAG has)
Regulator, BOSCH, 027 222 08 54 ( 19 ID#24)

Same as the car is supplied with in factory. The alternator is bought from a big distributor so low risk for counterfeit. They have also tested the alternator in a test bench, including -communication.

Don;

That was exactly my idea initially. The thing is the J367 reports the right amperage («IDE01836 Battery current 3.061 A») verified with clamp meter and the communication seems to work fine. I have replaced the wiring, and connectors.

I’m lost

Polofan

?? And hopefully the new battery are one the Polo likes

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Вообще задумываюсь о приобретении, какой посоветуете? Чем сами пользуетесь?

Долго выбирал, читал отзывы, купил немного подержанный МБС-9, 16т.р. с зип комплектом. Рабочего расстояния хватает, ничего на микроскопе не переделывал и не советую, иначе глаза будут болеть, пользую паяльник Lukey, с загнутым жалом. Самое главное, если будете брать б\у микроскоп, помимо внешнего состояния, проверяйте юстировку линз, (берёте лист бумаги, ставите точку, и смотрите чтоб она не двоилась). Аналог МБС-9 это МБС-1 и 2, разница лишь в том что поле зрения у них меньше. Для работы с большими платами, прикупил на авито, штатив от фотоувеличителя ленинград, в общем на эту тему очень много написано тем в интеренте, почитайте и уже сделаете сами свой выбор.

Одно, скажу, с появлением у меня микроскопа, ремонтировать электронику стало ещё интересней и продуктивней, да и удобно, сейчас всё такое мелкое, с обычными линзами всё равно не то!

Пример был, как то год назад, приезжало авео, на дисплее, вместо пробега были крякозябры, первый раз когда смотрел без мелкоскопа, ничего не увидел, пропаял там, сям, без результата. Потом уже через пол года, приехала эта же машина, но с другим хозяином, готовым менять приборку, решил всё так для начала глянуть ещё раз всё, но уже под микроскопом, и заметил микротрещину на дорожке, возле проца, восстановил её и всё заработало.

Отредактированно RUD229 — 11.2.2016, 12:52

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