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hello friends . am having a bit of a problem with my xbox . now when i boot it up it show a bad string error on the xbox logo to get past the error i have to press the home button and go to system settings . and when i go to xex menu and try to launch aurora it shows the bad string error again . i dont know what it is and how to fix it so can anyone out there help me . :)

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It’s likely a translation problem

Either delete all translations you have, delete the data folder or delete and refresh Aurora with a «clean» copy

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what are translations and where are they so i can delete them ?
 

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What version of aurora are you using?

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Am using aurora 0.5

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So how do I prevent it from showing up when booting up the Xbox or launching aurora ???????

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My friend have same problem with -=# BAD STRING #=- error in the Aurora 0.6b

This error shows only when switch on/off Xbox and when have 2 extHDD in the USB.

When have only one extHDD in the USB everything it’s ok.

Have anybody same problem, any solution?

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My friend have same problem with -=# BAD STRING #=- error in the Aurora 0.6b

This error shows only when switch on/off Xbox and when have 2 extHDD in the USB.

When have only one extHDD in the USB everything it’s ok.

Have anybody same problem, any solution?

do you have any other details? or does it just say bad string?

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He put this screen capture https://console-forum.net/uploads/monthly_2017_01/IMG_20170107_230339.jpg.45748a40a717f810448da4a82964b318.jpg

This doing only when switch off xbox and take out power cable, when power switch on and switch Xbox 360 show this Bad string error, when restart xbox, this error don’t showing.

This does it only when Xbox is disengaged from electricity.

I think this doing because Xbox take more power for USB ports when start Xbox and both extHDD.

When he try start Xbox with only one extHDD this error don’t showing.

Sorry for my english ;-)

Which usb ports are you using??

Both up front? 1 in back 1 in front?

Is Xbox slim or phat?

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He have Slim, he using back USB ports, but he try one extHDD in the front and second extHDD in the back USB ports, same error.

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He have Slim, he using back USB ports, but he try one extHDD in the front and second extHDD in the back USB ports, same error.

Can you post the log from aurora?..

Edit: to get it, make sure the bad string error happens.. dont reset.. and get the log from «aurora/data/logs/» and either ftp to pc, or copy to usb.. when you reset aurora, the log gets cleared..

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ok.. can you also upload a log of just 1 HDD plugged in??

and this may/may not be related.. but your friend has a corrupted profile:

{ «time» : «22:21:01.259», «thread» : «0xF9000044», «type» : «normal», «filter» : «ProfileMonitor», «message» : «E00004CABDA2E4B4(3) — Corrupted profile!» }

EDIT: also, are you using a translation? if so.. which?

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Here is new log file with 1 extHDD debug.log.txt

He using czech translation, It does not affect the language used because this error with bad string shows in the original english lang too.

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Here is new log file with 1 extHDD attachicon.gifdebug.log.txt

He using czech translation, It does not affect the language used because this error with bad string shows in the original english lang too.

ok.. so.. the bad string only shows up with both hdds attached.. does not show with either hdd connected?? meaning test 1 hdd, then unplug and test the other hdd??

i am unable to re-produce the error mate.. i’ve tried using all 3 usb ports in the back.. tried using both up front, 1 in back 1 in front.. swapping all possible ports.. 

might be the hdd? or something mate.. but i am unable to reproduce this error.. but it wouldnt be a power issue.. as if the hdd wasn’t drawing enough power, then the hdd wouldnt even boot up mate..

EDIT: does the bad string error show up in aurora 0.5b as well? or is it just localized to 0.6b? have you tried using a fresh install of 0.6b? or did you use the built in updater?

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Thanks mate for your help and answers.My friend is noob but he try change language, changing USB ports, fresh install Aurora.

This errors shows only when he start Xbox after unplug out power cable from Xbox and leave both extHDD in the USB ports.

When only switch off Xbox and leave him in the electricity everything is ok.

I told him to Xbox does not disconnect the power cord and everything is okay.

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Thanks mate for your help and answers.My friend is noob but he try change language, changing USB ports, fresh install Aurora.

This errors shows only when he start Xbox after unplug out power cable from Xbox and leave both extHDD in the USB ports.

When only switch off Xbox and leave him in the electricity everything is ok.

I told him to Xbox does not disconnect the power cord and everything is okay.

i am baffled.. lol.. has your friend tried a diff hdd altogether and see if the error reproduces? 

only thing i can say honestly.. is try and see if XBwatson tells you something.. which requires the xdk.. but yeah haha.. maybe someone else can chime in.. but like i said… i cant reproduce the error.. 

does your friend have any plugins set for dashlaunch? is he using hddalive?.. lol..

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It is something between heaven and earth, it is a mystery :-D

He don’t have any plugins set for dashlaunch and hddalive is disabled.

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It is something between heaven and earth, it is a mystery :-D

He don’t have any plugins set for dashlaunch and hddalive is disabled.

hddalive SHOULD be enabled.. if using externals.. fyi… read the notes!!!

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Ok, thanks mate,I’ll tell him to hddalive=true.

I did not know that, because I have only internal HDD.

And he must create alive.txt file on both extHDD?

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Ok, thanks mate,I’ll tell him to hddalive=enabled.

I did not know that, because I have only internal HDD.

He have on hddtimer=210ms this is ok?

yeah.. you gotta put a txt file on the externals mate.. it tells you in the notes of the option

but.. still wont fix the bad string error tho.. lol..

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bothers him still shines leds on the extHDD after shutdown Xbox.

Ok, I’ll tell him about hddalive and alive.txt, thanks mate

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bothers him still shines leds on the extHDD after shutdown Xbox.

Ok, I’ll tell him about hddalive and alive.txt, thanks mate

that means there is power to it.. lol.. same thing goes for my xb1 with external attached

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bothers him still shines leds on the extHDD after shutdown Xbox.

Ok, I’ll tell him about hddalive and alive.txt, thanks mate

Use some electrical tape or something to cover the lights on the HDD if they’re annoying…

There is no way to have the console turn off the power to the USB ports when not in use i’m afraid… :/

The alternative is to just ignore the bad string message…

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Back when I installed Aurora, the app runs without a hitch. It opens my files fine, it downloads updates well, and etc.. I even set it as my default dash via dash launcher. Some time later however, things starts to get heated. I sometimes get this bad string error but I can avoid it if I force open to the degault Xbox dash, open Xex, and run Aurora from there.
These days however, it will always gives me bad string error no matter what. Reinstalling is fine and all but the moment I turn off the console, that problem emerges again and I don’t think reinstalling it again would do any good. Currently using freestyle but I prefer going back to Aurora if possible.

Has anyone else faced this problem before and did you managed to fix it? Been using 0.7b.1 version for Aurora.

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Where did you copy the Aurora files?
Double check dashlaunch, perhaps there’s something interfering with the Aurora executable path?

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Where did you copy the Aurora files?
Double check dashlaunch, perhaps there’s something interfering with the Aurora executable path?

I just copy Aurora to HDD1.

Aurora.jpg

As for dash launch, what exactly do you mean by the interference or rather, what particular option should I check? Far as I’m concerned, all I did was to set Aurora’s xex as default back then and Xex to my X button (I use freestyle as default for now). I did touch something like liveblock but I don’t think that does anything with Aurora.
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Hmm, otherwise reinstall Aurora, boot into it from FSD’s filemanager and let it initialize.
After that I’d suggest setting dashlaunch to load from Aurora.

Another thing you could try is dedicate a small USB thumbdrive for Aurora.

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Hmm, otherwise reinstall Aurora, boot into it from FSD’s filemanager and let it initialize.
After that I’d suggest setting dashlaunch to load from Aurora.

Another thing you could try is dedicate a small USB thumbdrive for Aurora.

Sure, I’ll try doing that. I’ll stick with the same version of Aurora. Also, how do you set dashlaunch to load from Aurora?

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I barely used Aurora ever but I think it’s got a build in filemanager you could use.
I believe it also has a separate homebrew category where you could list the Dashlaunch launcher, much like FSD but more modern.

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When I restarted my system with Freestyle being the default, the system will pop up the bad string error when I boot the system or access freestyle via the home button on the controller. If I access it through Xex though the program runs with no problem.
I’m starting to think that this is a dashlaunch problem. Will reinstall it and see if it changes anything

*EDIT* My bad, dashlaunch setted Aurora by default and not freestyle. It’s not dashlaunch’s fault

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Hmm, otherwise reinstall Aurora, boot into it from FSD’s filemanager and let it initialize.
After that I’d suggest setting dashlaunch to load from Aurora.

Another thing you could try is dedicate a small USB thumbdrive for Aurora.

So I did those (minus the USB part) and for some reason, it finally work. Forever hopefully. Thanks for the help

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    Hello guys am have a hard time fixing this bad string error as I don’t know what it is or what is causing it , it pops up every time i turn on the xbox or whenever i try to launch aurora0.5 from xex menu i noticed that when i take the hard drive (650gb) from the xbox and turn it on again it doesnt pop up . Does anybody know how to fix this . Thank you :smile:

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    Hello guys am have a hard time fixing this bad string error as I don’t know what it is or what is causing it , it pops up every time i turn on the xbox or whenever i try to launch aurora0.5 from xex menu i noticed that when i take the hard drive (650gb) from the xbox and turn it on again it doesnt pop up . Does anybody know how to fix this . Thank you :smile:
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    It woukd be ypur first step in diagnosing the problem Would only take a minute to download slap it on your drive and try.
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    You would need to see yourself
    Uninstall and reinstall it

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  • And sadly, it’s probably a better quality fix than MS would provide on Warranty

    • Right, an Open Source power supply wouldn’t have these problems.

      • Any decent power supply shouldn’t have these problems.

        If a power supply gets hot enough to fail under normal conditions, it’s not a very efficient or well-designed power supply.

        Modern switching power supplies should be able to function at temperature extremes without failing. Power supplies are mature technology; there’s really no excuse for this.

        Maybe MS should have gone with a well known high quality PSU maker like ASTEC for this.

        -Z

        • Maybe MS should have gone with a well known high quality PSU maker like ASTEC for this.

          Yeah, too bad they went with their own out-of-ASTEC solution on this one, huh.

        • Eh, there are always excuses for stuff like this.

          People manufacture or design bum power supplies all the time. It seems like once or twice a year there is a story on Slashdot about a major power supply recall. At least this one hasn’t burned someone’s living room down yet.

          Who knows what happened with this incident. When I see an ID mishap such as this, it’s usually because some idiot at a manufacturing plant in BFE didn’t adhere to a design spec.

          Since this problem didn’t seem to show up with during the small preliminary manufacturing runs, and designers / engineers usually run heat and environment tests, it could probably be a problem with final manufacturing.

        • Umm yeah… Thats why maintainence at my building decided to shut off the air conditioning unit over the weekend. I came back monday to find a bunch of dead PSUs in my server room. Thats why all real servers come with two PSUs because PSUs don’t fail.

          • Well the question has to be asked, what temp did your server room get to?
            Where I work we keep the data center at 20C, if 1 unit fails the temp usually rises to about 25C, if 2 fail (it’s happened once during a hot summer) the temp rises VERY quickly. I’ve seen the average temp at 65C, I’d hate to guess what some of the temps were inside the servers who didn’t have the thermal protection enabled in bios.

            I’ve seen mobo’s that have been lightly burnt / melted around the CPU socket.

          • That’s no excuse. This is a freakin’ game console. You’ve got to expect the power supply to be sitting down on a carpet and design around that.

              • Why not? It’s a game console. Remember playing SMB with your friends when you were little? The nintendo would sit out in front of the TV on the floor and the game pads would connect to that, so you could sit on the furnature while playing.

                Small kids play these game systems, everyone knows that. They should be built tough. I’m guessing the Xbox 360 is probably built tough, but it only takes a single weak part to ruin all of the effort.

          • «I bet people who follow the directions and put the thing in on a hard surface with ventilation around it don’t have as many problems.»

            Right. Because I just love playing Xbox in the kitchen. The basement too — not that it’s freezing cold down there this time of year or anything.

            And that beastly-looking power supply really doesn’t look so nice with your entertainment system — and when you bring your Xbox to your friends’ houses to play with them, you probably don’t want to waste your time fitting it into their TV cabinet — you just want to play. Plus, if you hide it in the back of the cabinet behind other stuff, everything else will be blocking its ventilation.

            • «…The basement too — not that it’s freezing cold down there this time of year or anything.»

              But how long would it stay cold with your 360 down there? :p

          • As a both a Linear and Switching Power Supply Designer, I can say that if the supply is faulty in any way it will lead to catastrophe. If the supply gets so hot the the feedback loop (the thing that keeps XBox 360 from going nuts) is unstable, there are going to be bad consequences. A power supply also depends mainly on two types of engineers: Electrical and Mechanical. If the EE’s did their job, then the ME’s messed up when choosing how to place a fan or heatsink. A power supply should be able to work on carpet, bare floor, on top of a building. There is no excuse for having a bad supply on the 360.

            Probably what the engineers did was «think» they had a thermally stable supply when in fact the lab bench acted like a big heatsink. The thermal resistance from a lab bench would be much less compared to carpet. Finally, lab supplies are regulated so well that even if you do place them in high heat, they maintain constant power even though they are hot. The process this uses is negative feedback, and given the correct choice of chip material for the power supply controller, should never be an issue. If it is an issue, go back to Asia and yell at your designers for giving you a crappy supply.

              • Why should it fall on the engineers?

                Legal responsibility, that’s why. The whole point of a Professional Engineer can be summed up as «the buck stops here, and I can vouch for every piece of the design, so if the design was followed, I agree (personally; not my company) to pay the penalties.»

                Most people don’t know this, but ‘Engineer’ is not some phrase you can toss around or apply as desired. It’s actually a legally defined term, such as ‘Attorney,’ ‘Medical Doctor,’ ‘Registered Nurse,’ or ‘Senator’. As is the case with the title ‘attorney’ or ‘M.D.’, it’s a criminal offense to call onself an Engineer if s/he don’t have a Bachelors (or better) degree from an accredited university, as well as having been officially tested and licenced by the proper governmental authorities (and have the requisite number of years of experience in the field, and have your apprenticeship signed off by multiple Professional Engineers). You can’t just tack the name ‘Engineer’ to a job and/or title; as is the case with Attorney, in which you have to be licensed by Bar, or a Medical Doctor, in which you have to be certified by the boards, an Engineer must also meet similar requirements.

                The law was written to allow only competent, licenced individuals to make decisions that can have lethal consequences. Professional Engineers are quite aware of the consequences should they not perform their job with all dilligence.

                While it’s been fashionable lately for tech wannabies to tack the phrase ‘Engineer’ to their job description; ie. «Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer», or «Certified Netware Engineer», ‘network engineer’, this practice is illegal and punishible as fraud in most localities. (Microsoft can call it whatever they want; but technically, you can only say you have an MCSE certificate, not that you’re an Engineer.)

                The practice has really only survived because Engineers, in general, don’t get all pissy about people abusing their official/professional title. Hell, I only mention it for education’s sake: I have an Engineering degree, I legally can’t call myself an Engineer for precicely this reason — I’m not professionally licensed by the state (nor can I become licenced until I have a few years more experience). Yet when people ask, I tell them I’m an Engineer…

                Of course, in the case of people misusing the title of Attorneys or Medical Doctors… I can understand the Doctors worrying— I wouldn’t want to find out my ‘doctor’ simply put the initials ‘M.D.’ on his front door. But who in their right mind would want to piss off the same profession that includes the prosecuting attorney, the judge, and the guy defending you?

                In every state in the USA (and pretty much every other democratic nation), a Professional Engineer has to sign his (or her) name to every design before it can be sold and/or built. If the design is found to be faulty, civil cases (for money) can be brought against the company. Criminal cases can be brought against the engineer for his/her negligence. Such cases against engineers aren’t uncommon (IIRC, it happened to the engineers who signed off the design of the World Trade Center).

                Mechanical engineers are the ones who are (legally) responsible for any thermal issues involved in a design.

                Electrical Engineers don’t generally have to be professionally licenced; case in point: at my university, two of the EE professors are licenced. All of the ME professors are. EE students don’t have to pass the FE (fundamentals of engineering) exam to get their degree; ME students do. The number of cases where it’s required to be a licenced EE are currently quite small; the largest one is to be an expert witness in a court of law. But an ME needs the licence for just about everything he does.

                A good part of this is difference is maturity: The understanding of electrical devices is only a couple of centuries old; however mechanical devices are a couple millenia more mature. I’m sure a century from now, an E

                • Wow, going wildly off topic here.

                  Most people don’t know this, but ‘Engineer’ is not some phrase you can toss around or apply as desired.

                  It is in Texas, where this nonsense was been repealed.

                  In every state in the USA (and pretty much every other democratic nation), a Professional Engineer has to sign his (or her) name to every design before it can be sold and/or built.

                  Which actually happens about 0.01% of the time. If the failure of the design won’t turn somebody into a nasty smear or splatter, the law is universally ignored. With no consequences to the public. Welcome to the real world.

                  The practice has really only survived because Engineers, in general, don’t get all pissy about people abusing their official/professional title.

                  It has survived because prosecuting it would bring the wrath of the state legislature crashing down. As it did in Texas, when it was discovered that companies were being driven out of business by a state board dumb enough to believe their own pieces of paper, a state board who said with a straight face that the inventor of the integrated circuit was definitely not an engineer.

                  The law was written to allow only competent, licenced individuals to make decisions that can have lethal consequences.

                  Have you actually read some of these laws? Like the one in my jurisdiction that requires not merely that the P.E. have a bachelors degree, but that it must come from an institution where every technical professor also has a PE (I.e., no institution on Earth grants qualifying degrees.)

                  Or the ones that define engineering so broadly that telling someone that two inches of styrofoam out to keep their six pack cool all day is a regulated act of engineering. So broadly that all radio hams must be PEs.

                  The number of cases where it’s required to be a licenced EE are currently quite small; the largest one is to be an expert witness in a court of law.

                  Wrong. The letter of the law requires all design threats to property to be licensed. Not just significant threats, all threats no matter how tiny. Every electronic device incorporating a totem-pole output must be approved by a PE (because the device will destroy itself if the upper and lower switches are turned on at the same time). That the device costs $0.08 and makes a light blink in a novelty toy powered by a AAA battery does not matter. It is Regulated Engineering and by god must be controlled.

                  ‘Software Engineer’ is almost laughable, though (in the sense of licensing Software Engineers);

                  Because writing aircraft fly-by-wire firmware and writing Hollywood graphics rendering software are both software engineering. Both require tremendous technical knowledge, the techniques for getting correct results are well established, and billions of dollars depend on each. Yet the required quality is drastically different. One must never fail, while it’s OK if the other needs a full-time babysitter.

                  Licensure on the basis of knowledge, education, or task will always fail. Everyone will ingore it, and any engineering board foolish enough to try to enforce its regulations will be sternly corrected by their state legislature. The rational approach would be to draw up a list of particular types of designs that are regulated. E.g., airplanes, custom architecture, outdoor power lines, tanks operated above a pressure of N psi, and so forth.

                  Until it’s possible to say ‘this program failed because of this piece of code, written by Joe Schmuch, and he is liable for damages because of his negligence. He’s licenced here, lives there, go arrest him and bring him to justice for his crime.’ — don’t expect to see a ‘real’ Software Engineer.

                  And what if you could bring a particular software engineer to justice

          • Good thing it’s not summer over there, or there might be even more issues reported.

            Can’t wait for the Australian release — mid summer — with all the people who don’t have air-conditioned homes trying to run this think in 35+ degress celcius and see what happens…

            • I’ll keep watching to see if the forest fires will start from inside Sydney this year. Watch out for California as well, next summer! We might even get satellite images detailing XBOX360 distribution from all over the world.

              ;)

            • For many people, applying this solution would seem to require thousands of dollars to acquire additional real estate. Solution is to build a stand for the power supply, and this string is an example.

              Personally I don’t see what’s so interesting about this whole solve-a-problem-using-string story. Now MacGuyver, there’s a guy who knows how to use string. I mean, in one episode of MacGuyver, MacGuyver builds a helicopter using string. And a little bit of duck tape, of course.

                • Duck Tape [duckproducts.com]

                  Duct tape sucks on air ducts. Does not last very long at all.

    • Wouldn’t it be easier and more reliable to buy a power supply that functions without overheating? As long as it provides the correct voltage and is rated at the correct number of amps, there’s nothing special about a given power supply.

      • Wouldn’t it be easier and more reliable to buy a power supply that functions without overheating? As long as it provides the correct voltage and is rated at the correct number of amps, there’s nothing special about a given power supply.

        well afaik a power supply has to deliver constant voltage as well as clean power. I’m guessing your run of the mill «cheap» power supply wouldn’t be able to deliver and the console would crash all the time. If you had access to a good clean power supply, then I don’t see a

        • The value of clean power is grosely exaggerated these days. Constant voltage is the real problem. An insufficiently rated (W) power supply will have trouble maintaining voltage expecially under varying loads. This is usually seen by crashes during games and random power downs.

          The internal power circuitry of the cpu/mobo can easily «clean up» noisy power with a simple network of capacitors, however if the voltage is too low it can do nothing.

      • Actually, they did investigate other power supplies. However, all the ones they tested actually fit neatly away out of sight. So they had to produce their own, freakishly large, one.

    • This absurd situation is the direct result of buying a sysphisticated piece of electronic hardware from a software company. And not just a software company, from a huge software monopoly.

      This kind of thing, and hell, this precise situation, would never happen in a company that is run by engineers. Real engineers, not software engineers or sanitation engineers. People who have been rigorous trained in the behavior of physical materials when acted upon by systematic application of an energy

      • This absurd situation is the direct result of buying a sysphisticated piece of electronic hardware from a software company.

        Microsoft has produced sophisticated hardware before, for example Z80 coprocessor cards for Apple IIs. This let Apple II users run CP/M back in the day.

        OK that was a while ago, more recently we have keyboard, mice, joysticks. Not quite sophisticated, even when you toss in force feeback

        The above may not qualify as sophisticated by it does show that they are also a hardware company to some degree.

        And, uh, you are aware that the XBox360 is a followup to something called the XBox? I think that little piece of hardware may fall in to the «sophisticated» category.

        ;-)

        … a huge software monopoly

        Irrelevant. Apple enjoys an equally monopolistic position over *it’s* customers and Apple is able to design some very nice hardware.

        This kind of thing, and hell, this precise situation, would never happen in a company that is run by engineers.

        Like a hardware company named Apple, a company that has been producing sophisticated hardware for nearly 30 years? Oh yeah, they’ve never shipped with bad power supplies, bad batteries that could catch on fire,

        … nope never could happen. For the flamers reading: Apple is primarily a hardware company, they are merely most famous for their software (well until iPod) and that software is the hook, the justification, for buying their more expensive hardware (have to cite the Mini as a break in that historical trend — not in a literal sense but in a practical sense). This is why they will not offer Mac OS X for the standard PC architecture.

        If use of Apple offends you we could use HP (pre-Compaq), Intel, or a host of other companies to prove the same point.

        • Yep, no mod points right now, or I’d give you one. Honestly, these days, it makes no difference who a company consists of for judging the relative quality of a hardware product they might produce. All that really matters is if they’ve got the money to bring it to market.

          You can bet that the XBox 360 power supply was produced over in China, Taiwan, Korea, or another nation like that, where everyone else’s power supplies get built too. Why does Apple have all of these well-known hardware screw-ups despite being primarily a «hardware company» full of engineers doing R&D? Same reason! When you hear complaints of inconsistent color and «pinkish edges» on the new 23″ Cinema displays, exploding batteries on one model of older Powerbook, failing backplanes on revision A iMac G5’s, and much more — they’re primarily due to failures due to lack of quality control on shipments from these 3rd. world countries. (EG. Faulty capacitors caused the backplane problems

          … just as they caused motherboard problems for Asus, Abit, and most others last year. All a result of a Chinese capacitor company trying to save money by using inferior electrolyte in them.)

          • OMG, did you seriously just call Taiwan and Korea «3rd world countries?» Hell, have you ever been to Hong Kong? In Korea they watched televised videogame matches like we watch American Idol. Do you even know what the term 3rd world means?
            Not that I’m arguing your point, one way or the other, but still.

          • This is really the fallacy that has undermined the productivity of the industrialized world. It is true that if one has money and motivation, over time one can develop expertise. This expertise does not happen over night, nor is it permanant. The asian manufacturers have slowly built expertise over time, starting small with low quality products, slowly increasing quality and effeciency until they reach an acceptable level of quality. Likewise, the American, and even European manfucturers have lost thier expertise by concentrating on lowering prices rather than maintaining quality.

            The knowledge needed to make a large project happen is wide ranging, and not always found in a textbook, and not always found with a consultant. Supply chains, economy estimates, component interactions, assembly are truly intersting and difficult problems. The simple act of asking someone else to build something, especially if you do not understand the product, can be a major pain. And the last point about using companies that sacrifice cost for quality. That is experience. Knowing who can be trusted, and who can’t.

            Companies do have core competencies, and it when they merge and buy and consilidate in a fantasy that core compentencies and cultures do no matter that trouble starts. We make fun of their stupidy when the stock falls as cultures collide, but it is comments like the parent and grandparents that promote those bad decisions in the first place.

          • Just blaming Chinese capacitors doesn’t work in this case.

            Joystiq or Spong had a comparison of the power supply for the Xbox360 (huge) and the 360 devbox sent to reviewers so they can play pre-release builts and games from other regions (huger, yes, that’s possible, somehow). I assume they made the bigger power supply first and it worked fine. Then someone at MS decided size was an issue, they made a new smaller power supply but to do so they had to make it borderline overheating. Now people use that power

            • arg.

              a) I meant the debug box

              b) Here [kikizo.com] is a picture of the two. And here [kikizo.com] the article the picture’s from

        • And, uh, you are aware that the XBox360 is a followup to something called the XBox? I think that little piece of hardware may fall in to the «sophisticated» category. ;-)

          The first X-Box was a big PC in a box. Literally, if you open it up, it’s a bunch of standard computer parts. I’d call that «good marketing in getting people to buy a keyboard-less PC,» but not sophisticated hardware design.

          • That cannot be nailed down to hardware. The fact that reseting it fixed the issue points to a software problem, and those kinds of problems afflict most router manufacturers at some point in time.

            Cases in point: The Pipeline P50 and P75 would lock up after running for a while in NAT mode, so would early versions of the LinkSys BEFSR41, as well as the Efficient Networks SpeedStream 5660 and later model NetGears (after the switch from Zynos.) Oh, and my beloved SMC Barricade 7004ABR did the same thing in or

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      inch lengths. So it’s not very useful.
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      FROM ARTIFICIAL COLORING, AS USED IN HOSPITALS!»
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  • Don’t get me wrong, I love the Xbox, but my first one was one of those that cought on fire. Why am I not surprised that there are problems with the 360 at release?

    • Now, I wonder…

      Why didn’t they do more in-depth burn-in tests of these?

      I mean, sure, defects are common in manufacturing, but something as simple to detect as overheating?
      With a unit of this cost, one would think that their engineering team would have, at the very least, warned that overheating ‘may’ be an issue.

      • Why didn’t they do more in-depth burn-in tests of these?

        They did, but the test site burned down before they completed the tests.

      • …Why didn’t they do more in-depth burn-in tests of these?…

        Why would they?
        Why should they incur that expense?
        They have beta-tes^H^H customers out there that willingly PAY THEM $400+ to do it for them. Literally fighting each other at stores for the oppurtunity.

        • That would explain why the product is so scarce in the first month or so. Release a couple thousand, listen to the problems, adjust, release the rest.

    • That’s not a problem, it’s Microsoft’s new Prometheus(TM) special effects technology!

    • It sounds like this one guy (is this the same one we heard about days ago?) just doesn’t know how to properly ventilate electronics in the first place. Is he sticking it in some closed-off cabinet sitting between a cable box and a receiver or something?

      And ‘fixing it with string’? Sounds more like ‘fixing it by allowing it to get some AIR’…

      • It sounds like this one guy (is this the same one we heard about days ago?) just doesn’t know how to properly ventilate electronics in the first place. Is he sticking it in some closed-off cabinet sitting between a cable box and a receiver or something?

        I fail to see why this would be considered ‘misuse’ of the Xbox. It really ought to be able to live anywhere your stereo does. Especially with an external power brick that is dealing with much of the heat.

          • This is rather a cop-out. If the system will crash due to power supply airflow blockage caused by typical living-room use, then the product needs a big, fat orange sticker on the top of the brick that says so.

            Also, I realize that it’s a trade-off of cost vs usability, but game consoles generally live in the little empty space in the entertainment center cabinet next to the TV screen, so they must be designed to tolerate high temperatures without failure.

            I suppose Microsoft will get to do an embarassing pr

              • You know, it was MS (and Sony) that decided that this «media center» should be residing in the living room. It was *their* idea that gaming should be centered around the TV, rather than around the PC. It was *their* idea that the next-gen consoles should be psuedo-DVRs, DVD players, music jukeboxes AND gaming machines.

                If they want to compete in that arena, where VCRs, DVD players, stereos, and the last generation of consoles lived (and every console before that), then they better make damn sure their hardware works in that environement. After all, *they* are the ones that want to compete in the living room. The console must conform to the entertainment center, not the other way around…the $400 purchase simply won’t drive the design of a living room for 95% of the people buying one (that number was made up…but I’m sure it is a vast majority).

                If this is not the case, then the XBox360, PS3 and whatever else just become another type of PC, with an entire area set up to accomodate that particular piece of hardware. Trust me when I say that this is not what most consumers want, and is certainly ot what MS (Sony) wants. If we are going to do that, just get a nice PC and game there. At least PCs are upgradeable as you go along to accomodate new requirements as games come out.

                The solution? Design a friggin’ power supply that doesn’t overheat when it sits on a carpeted floor, or in the back of a entertainment center. It’s been done thousands of times before, and we need to see this for what it is: a defect. Just like the release of the PSP, just because the manual says that «8 or fewer dead/stuck pixels are normal and not a defect.» doesn’t *actually mean* that 8 or fewer dead/stuck pixels isn’t a defect. MS can tell us that the power supply should be placed in the bottom shelf of your freezer to «properly» set up the XBox360, but that doesn’t mean that it isn’t a problem with the unit.

                NOTE: I am not a bitter Xbox360 owner (I don’t own one at all), just simply observing from the sidelines. I agree people should do their research, but that doesn’t mean the company can make whatever demands they want on the consumer in the manual and they become reasonable.

          • Yeah, this just proves that MS doesn’t get it when it comes to consumer electronics. Consumer electronics are used in the real world. That means they get used on carpet, the get crammed into cramped stereo cabinets, etc. You have to know how the product will be used and design it for that use, not try to design the use to your product. People just don’t work that way. I think the more Sony sees, the less scared they are. MS can afford to continue to lose money on the consumer electronics sector, but at some point the shareholders are going to demand that they stop.

          • [blockquote]Do not block any ventilation openings on the console or power supply. Do not place the console or power supply on a bed, sofa, or other soft surface that may block ventilation openings. Do not place the console or power supply in a confined space, such as a bookcase, rack, or stereo cabinet, unless the space is well ventilated.

            Do not place the console or power supply near any heat sources, such as radiators, heat registers, stoves, or amplifiers.[/blockquote]

            So where do I put it? Not everyone has a concrete pad with air conditioning running over it to play their games. This is an applicance like your stereo, like your tv, like most of the stuff people stuff into an entertainment center. It’s insane that you have to have so much ventilation for a game system like that.

          • Maybe that’s because you didn’t read the manual, which says:

            My most recent 20″ box fan came with a manual. It says to never ever EVER
            put the fan in a window. The picture on the box shows it in a window. I
            have it in a window. It works fine there.

            I have a humidifier, with a great big scary orange sticker on the
            inside of the lid, that actually says (paraphrased) «WARNING: If this
            unit becomes wet, unplug it, let it dry fully, and have it inspected
            by an authorized service technician before attempting to use it again».
            And what purpose does this lid, with so dire a warning, serve? You lift
            this particular lid to… FILL THE THING WITH WATER!

            Virtually the entire warning section in most manuals exists solely
            for the purpose of helping the manufacturer fight off product liability
            suits. In the case of the box fan, some moron probably tried to use
            one in a window in the rain, and got zapped or burned his house down.
            That doesn’t mean that I can’t put a fan in the window on a nice
            sunny day, it just means if I do something stupid Lesko can say «see,
            we told you so!». For the humidifier, I don’t quite know what
            they had in mind, but I have 100% confidence it involves covering their
            butts in some way.

            So when the XBox360 says not to use it on a bed or sofa, which I expect
            accounts for where 99% of people would use it… Even those who read
            the warnings will tend to ignore it as just another sad attempt
            to protect Microsoft from morons.

          • Do not block any ventilation openings on the console or power supply. Do not place the console or power supply on a bed, sofa, or other soft surface that may block ventilation openings. Do not place the console or power supply in a confined space, such as a bookcase, rack, or stereo cabinet, unless the space is well ventilated.

            Now I dont have the 360, but from these pics [gamespot.com], it looks like any other black power brick (just really big) — IE: no such ventilation openings (the power supply in your PC is what co

            • I know at least my Kiss Player, Digitial TV unit and DVD player all crash if they overheat (that is, if you try stacking them, blocking the vents — even simply by putting a DVD case on the top of the unit — or just let the ambiant temperature get too hot). They are not designed to be stacked, and it’s explicitly inadvisable to stack them (as this obstructs the vents, causing them to fail).

    • You should contact the legal firm of Spiro Moss Barness, etc… They are one of many firms united in a class action lawsuit about the Thompson DVD drives that were used in the Xbox. Microsoft seem to have been aware of the lack of quality in these drives as later models used different manufacturers. Despite this, if you talk to their customer service reps, they continue to ask you if your discs are dirty despite the fact you tell them you just bought the damn game.

      I don’t give a rat’s ass about Sony’s problems. I’m here to ask about the awful consumer experience I had with my original Xbox and what exactly is the truth about this new product. Here are links that show what a known issue those drives were.

      http://sentientcreations.com/xboxIssues/problem.ph p

      [sentientcreations.com]

      http://www.llamma.com/xbox/Repairs/xbox_dvd_repair .htm

      [llamma.com]

      Now there’s an entire market based upon replacing your Xbox’s DVD drive with a better one such as Samsung.

      Microsoft’s support solution: clean the disc. No matter how many times you tell them the disc is brand new, they say it’s a dirty disc.

      http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb; en-us;8167

      [microsoft.com]

      Then there was the power supply issue. A recall in which power cords were issued to cover up shoddy circuitry that could and did cause house fires. Mostly due to bad soldering. In the recall, older Xboxes were given power cords with breakers, so in the event of a short, you may burn out your Xbox but at least your house won’t burn down.

      http://s4.invisionfree.com/Popular_Technology/ar/t 215.htm

      [invisionfree.com]

      So a few weeks ago we started to see Xbox 360s in demo retail models showing the dreaded Error 74. Photograph of it here.

      http://joystiq.com/entry/1234000480066825/ [joystiq.com]

      Now we have reports of crashes that yes, are online and could be from a vocal minority, but I have never heard of or owned a console that crashes the way photographs show us is happening to the 360 — and let’s remember the people complaining about it are the ones who braved the cold and the nuisance of picking one up.

      http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/xbox-360/hours-old-an d-pgr3-crashing-like-mad-138978.php

      [kotaku.com]

      Now apparently there is a fix in the form of suspending the power supply. People are finding it’s working. Ergo, the power supply is defective. Just like the one on the original Xbox which was RECALLED.

      Whatever marketing spiel Microsoft want to give, I want for them to answer one thing. What exactly is Error 74 and Error 79 — what does it mean is happening to the box. They have refused, as they did with the Thompson DVD drive, to let us know what is going wrong. Even if it isolated. Does it bode poorly for the future? Why is there a SPECIFIC error message already in the box’s OS that is happening to people?

      Now we know for certain that the machine is not only prone to overheating, there is an inbuilt error message related to it.

      http://support.microsoft.com/kb/907533/ [microsoft.com]

      And did you hear about how the tech support person told that guy to «wipe his video cables with a soft cloth»? Too rich.

  • Well, at least you don’t have to lift the console itself this time around….

  • Not having seen one, ( nor will i buy one ), but i would imagine that a set of LARGE rubber feet would raise it enough to get some air flow..

    Oh, and keep it out of the carpet..

      • if you look at those images, there are feet on the side of it…. looks like it was designed to stand that way

        • …but that the power supply is as long as the distance between the console’s fron and said console’s back easily puts it in the running for a WTF award. Never, in my 2 decades of life, have I seen a game-console or computer power supply that long. They shouldn’t be, and therefore I’ll pass and wait for the «Sleeker, slimmer» version in 4 years.

            • Check out a PowerMac G5. The big dual processor water cooled beastes have a 1kw (yes, you read that correctly) power supply. All PMG5 supplies are the same size — they occupy the entire bottom 2 inches of the computer, side to side and front to back.

              Once again, it appears that Microsoft has blatantly ripped off Apple.

    • Oh, and keep it out of the carpet..

      Indeed. How many of these do you suppose are stuffed behind the entertainment center with the rest of the wall warts?

  • This reminds me of the massive original Xbox powercord recall…Seems like Microsoft has had some power control issues…. (hehe)

    ____________________—
    Mirror for gamespot forums [mirrordot.org]

  • A great, fast, good graphics gaming console! The XBox360! Yours now for only $399… no strings atta…

  • Hello,

    Your string is on its way!

    Thanks,

    Microsoft Support

    • Dear Customer,

      We have decided to deny your warranty request to replace the external power supply and deny your request for a complimentary Microsoft XPCool Strings(tm).

      The reason for this is that you have not used your unit according to the specifications.

      As per the instruction manual included in MS Word format on the XBox 360’s hard drive, it clearly states in section 361.27.5a(iii) the following:

      «As an additional winter bonus, we have provided you with a power supply that doubles as a personal block heater, this block heater must be set up by suspending over the cardboard box provided with the XBox360. Failure to do so can cause system instability or fire.

      If your friend or family member has thrown away this box, please purchase an additional usage license for that friend or family member as you are clearly in violation of the EULA (as this the console is provided with a single user license); we will provide you with an extra box for power supply suspension along with the additional license upon request»

  • I built an anti-gravity system for my Xbox 360 using magnets. Now if only I could figure out why the drives keep getting erased.

  • I’m wondering what will happen next summer, problems will get even worse.

    • There’s a good possibility of that; though in winter people in cold climates tend to have the heat on. If the heat vent is close to the power supply…

      The problem seems more to do with air flow though. People putting the supply on a shag carpet or no doubt going to have more heat problems than people who place the supply on it’s side up on a table. The supply probably should have used some extra heatsinks though.

      Still I am curious as to the ratio of people having problems in warmer clients to those in co

  • What exactly was involved in the QA process for the 360? Were they in a refrigerated room for the tests? Did the not actually test the power supply? Were all of the components suspended from the ceiling?

    Jerry
    http://www.cyvin.org/ [cyvin.org]

    • My guess is that everything was tested on a nice hard bench. When you stick the PSU on a carpet the inherent fluffyness of the carpet blocks the ventilation and causes it to overheat.

    • And never conducted real testing, because they relied on the QA from their power supply vendor.

      The main reasons for the prevalence of external power supplies or «wall warts» are that they shift regulatory compliance (UL, CSA, TUV, or whatnot) onto a third party (the power supply vendor), and enable the same basic product to be sold worldwide with different external supplies provided to accomodate local variations in line voltage/frequency/receptacle type.

  • Now you can tell your girlfriend to keep blowing on your Xbox 360 power supply while playing.

      • Someone says «you can tell your girlfriend to keep blowing on your Xbox 360» and the best you can come up with is «Or you can ask to use her string

        :-)». Come on now people

  • i read the headline to mean an exploit was found. then i read the article. oh, not a literal string, it is literally string. nevermind…

  • «Improper suspension of the unit will cause overheating. Poor air circulation around the power supply will cause it to retain heat. Overheating may cause unwanted results such as system freezing, jerky video, slow performance, fire, violent and frequent bowel movements (an urgent need to have them, and an inability to control them), and sudden death. It is highly recommended that the unit be suspended a distance of at least 6″ from any flat surface. Microsoft is currently developing technology that will levitate the unit without the need of any suspension device. Until research and development is completed, we suggest you elevate the unit using string, duct tape, corregated shelving, or your kid brother. We are certain that despite any minor inconvenienced listed above, you will enjoy your XBox.»

  • If some power supplies are overheating during the cool season, we should expect even more problems next summer.

    I can see cooling being a big issue for the CPU and graphics chips which have to dissipate quite a bit no matter what, but the power supply? A well designed switching supply should have very low losses and run cool.

    • …A well designed…

      Sorry, pal. This is a Microsoft product.

      • «Sorry, pal. This is a Microsoft product.»

        Exactly. Microsoft products use evolution. In other words, it takes JUST A FEW MILLION YEARS to get them right — almost.

  • If you have an Xbox 360, read the label of power supply. Post who manufactures it, and where it was manufactured. Perhaps there are other consumer devices that use power supplies from the same manufacturer that we should check for overheating.

    • Microsoft Co., Ltd.
      Made in China.

      It could easily have been a management problem too… As frickin’ huge as the thing is, it’s possible it was even larger during development, and the management word came down «the PSU must be smaller! Otherwise the japanese won’t buy it. Consequences be damned!», and it turns out this was the smallest they could get it.

  • CHEESE! That’s right. Just stick some string cheese in the power adapter and it’ll work like a heat sink and draw the heat from your console, making some tasty nacho sauce all the while. Microsoft has done it again! And if they manage to find a way to encorporate their version of the George Foreman grill into their next next gen console then I’ll have everything I could even need!

  • Only the names omitted. Years ago I worked for a company which supplied a maker of set top boxes. The customer complained that our component kept failing. I spent time in their lab trying to understand what was happening, went back and did extensive tests in our own lab, and could only conclude that the component was overheating badly.

    I went back to report and had a very hard time from the product manager (it was in fact so bad that half way through the meeting I told him I had to switch out of the language we were using back to my native English because I did not want a grammatical error to turn into an «admission» in a court of law.) But in the end he gave up.

    The engineers then gave me lunch and told me that everybody knew that the project manager had specified to the PSU manaufacturer that the unit had to work up to 35C free air — completely failing to allow for its being used on a carpet, on top of a hot TV, or even on top of the TV covered in magazines. Nobody could understand what sort of a house he must live in that he was unaware of how the box was actually likely to be used.

  • I used to hang the power supply brick out the window in the winter to get more run time from a C64 about 20 years ago.

  • The technical/geek solution to an overheating brick (psu) is simple. Use some zip ties to attach one or two old slot a/1 HSF to the overheating brick. Don’t forget to use a good load of Arctic Silver (or thermal pads if you are not l33t) between the HSF and brick.

    Two HSF @ $7.49 — $14.98
    Two Arctiv Silver tubes @ $8.99 — $17.98

    A reasonable total of $32.96 to solve yet another MS oversight.

  • First of all, I want to mention I can run my Xbox 360 for a stonkin’ forever without it crashing. I have taken a few steps though.

    First of all, I separate the power supply from the 360. I have my 360 in a stereo cabinet, but I have the power supply behind the stereo cabinet on the floor. I did this because it was clear from the 24″ power cable between the PS and 360 that MS intended this to be possible. Second of all, I cut some small holes in the back of my stereo cabinet for airflow. These are probably about 6 square inches total. Additionally, I don’t close the cabinet completely, so I have some airflow out the front.

    I also have been experimenting with fans just to see the effects. Here’s a set of measurments I did with the front opening cracked a bit. This is the temperature in the stereo cabinet space (about 8 cubic feet) containg the 360.

    0:00 — 73.4F (ambient)
    0:30 — 89.4F
    0:50 — 94.8F
    1:10 — 98.1F
    1:30 — 100.2F
    1:50 — 101.7F
    2:10 — 102.7F
    2:30 — 103.5F

    Then I turned on the fan in the cabinet and the temp dropped to 98.8F. With the fan on, I could close the front door completely and the temp still only rose to about 100F.

    Clearly this thing is a heat monster! If I measure the temp at the output fan it, it has risen over 115F.

    But, I have checked the power supply in back cursorily, and it just doesn’t get all that hot on its own. This makes sense, given that if the PS is about 80% efficient, then only 50W is being dissapated by the PS back there, and 200W is being dissapated by the 360 in front.

    So, although I haven’t had any problems, my recommendation would be first of all, get your 360 out of that confined space. It just generates too much heat for that. Second of all, even in a semi-confined space, get the power supply away from the 360, preferably get it into its own «cooling zone».

    For sure, do not put the power supply directly behind the 360 in any kind of smallish space! The 360 draws air in at the back, at the lower of the two fans (on the right if it is laying down). If you put the PS right there, it will not only block the airflow, making the 360 take in its own exhaust, but it will also heat up the intake air even further.

    My guess is people who are having this problem, and don’t have the 360 in a small, sealed space are mostly just putting the PS in a bad place, and putting it on strings, is just a complicated form of relocating it so it isn’t there heating up the 360 intake air.

    • and to think, with my Gamecube I just turn it on

  • Back in the old days when I had my Atari 800XL, I upgraded it to 256K of RAM. The extra power draw was enough to cause the power supply to overheat and fail. The power supply was encased in hard plastic and had no ventilation. My solution was to place the power supply in a zip-lock baggie that was obviously open at the top to allow the cables to go out, but then the lower half was submerged in a pot of water. Worked perfectly until I finally came across a power supply that was ventilated.

    • place the power supply in a zip-lock baggie that was obviously open at the top to allow the cables to go out, but then the lower half was submerged in a pot of water.

      Darwinizing xbox fanboys/girls is not the solution.

      • If Darwinizing the xbox fanboys/girls isn’t the answer, you’ve very obviously not asking the right questions.


      • > place the power supply in a zip-lock baggie that was obviously open at the top to allow the cables to go out, but then the lower half was submerged in a pot of water.


        Darwinizing xbox fanboys/girls is not the solution.

        At least it’s an aqueous solution.

  • I feel like a dunce. I thought the 360 was for 360 degrees in a full circle. But clearly it is for 360 degrees, the operating temperature of the power supply (you get to choose Fahrenheit or Celsius).

  • I have contacted each of the cooling device manuafacturers and they are on this already. There is a new water cooling solution being produced specifically for the X-360 power supply and it will be at the affordable rate of $199.99.

  • Hmm. Tape takes care of DRM…

    String solved overheating problems…

    Does Staples or Office Depot sell stock? I have a feeling they could help me become very rich, soon…

  • From TFA:

    As a result, he was able to leave his machine on for a stonking seven hours without it freezing up.

    Indeed, even I thought that twenty minutes of uptime seemed a bit extreme even for Microsoft. With this fix, people are back to the uptime that can be expected from Microsoft products.

  • Hm, I’ve opened the PC, unscrewed the PS from the frame, suspended it on a string from the side of the desk, but the bloody Windows continues cras!@#$%^…..

  • that the Xbox360 power supply was sponsered by Duraflame logs as part of an intentional relief effort to combat the rising costs of heating oil for homes.

    • BURNS:
      Could you explain your model, young man?

      GRIMES:
      What’s to explain? He’s an idiot!

      LENNY:
      Pipe down!

      HOMER:
      Well basically, I just copied the plant we have now.

      BURNS:
      Mm-hmm.

      HOMER:
      Then, I added some fins to lower wind resistance. (pointing) And this racing stripe here I feel is pretty sharp.

    • I give you a 10 on misdirected anger, and a 0 on content…ie a great slashdot post!

    • Goddamn you Micro$oft users love getting raped!

      I know you’re a troll and you don’t really deserve an answer, but…

      Actually it’s not Microsoft users who love getting raped, it’s early adopters. And a damn good thing too: without early adopters, we patient and reasonable consumers wouldn’t get good products with all the design kinks worked out.

      • Actually it’s not Microsoft users who love getting raped, it’s early adopters. And a damn good thing too: without early adopters, we patient and reasonable consumers wouldn’t get good products with all the design kinks worked out.

        You are probably right… but if everyone was a ‘patient, reasonable consumer’ then maybe MS would have to fix their shit before they, you know, ship it? Otherwise no one would buy it. Just a thought.

    • Holy shit I hope you get modded up. That was the first thing I thought when I read that article. This is insane! In what world is this acceptable?! It’s not just computers anymore. It’s game consoles and cars now, too.

      For those not familiar with BMW’s iDrive. [e90post.com]

      Just today, I started the car and again I coudn’t get past the accept «screen». The iDrive crashes at that screen all the time anymore. I’ve just been doing the reboot sequence that I mentioned above to reset it.

      People are rebooting thier fuc

      • Air is a crappy heat conductor, but in many cases it is your only option.
        Water conducts heat about 25x better than air (which is why hypothermia hits in minutes when you are in 35 degree water, but can stand in 35 degree air for half an hour or more with little more than a shiver) but not too many people will let you flood their homes just to keep them warm.

        Modern electronics use cooling fans because they are cheap, and because they work good enough. For serious heat management, you are back to liquids (look at car engines, for example.)

        It looks like the MS power supply could use some cooling fins, because dunking it in mineral oil (while effective) isn’t particularly end user friendly.

      • You might give this [heise.de] method a try. Brings Windows XP with SP2 down (first a short BSOD, followed by a reboot). Nothing to do with drivers and/or hardware problems.

        This page is in german, but the HTML code can be seen with no problems. I managed to bring 2 out of 3 windows XP installations down by this trick (sometimes, you have to wait a little while before it crashes, but it most probably will)

            • Because there happens to be no sane default.

              You can’t limit things like number of processes without knowing what the machine is supposed to do. A limit of 30 processes might be perfectly fine on a firewall, and completely insane for a machine that runs Apache. Set it to 500, and it won’t prevent the firewall from becoming unusable due to a fork bomb, which may very well consume all available memory.

              Same goes for things like memory limits. Databases are expected to use up most of the RAM available in the machine, very unlike a computer used for word processing, where it’s very rare for any single program to consume a large fraction of RAM.

              This is in no way unique to computers. You can’t apply the same current limits to a residential house and a factory.

              Thing is, this kind of safety measures only work when you know the setting, the expected resource usage, and put limits in the right place. They’re specific for each particular situation.

  • Игровая приставка Xbox 360 имеет ряд функций, которые помогут вам понять, что именно произошло с вашей консолью. На передней панели Xbox 360, где находится кнопка включения, мы имеем индикатор из зеленых светодиодов. Когда приставка неправильно функционирует, то мы видим за место зеленого цвета красный. В момент, когда индикаторы загораются красным цветом, мы можем определить код ошибки Xbox 360 и узнать что за ошибка и как дальше быть.

    На телевизоре не появляется картинка при подключении AV/HDMI

    Как решить данную ситуацию:

    •  Проверьте кабель AV/HDMI возможно он не плотно подключен .
    • Вытащите кабели и заново подсоедините его.
    • Картинка не выводится и горят 4 красных огня, то вытаскиваем кабель AV/HDMI и протираем разъем приставки спиртом и пробуем подключить снова.
    • Если вы все проделали выше описанное, но картинка так и не появилась через AV/HDMI, то попробуйте заменить кабель.
    • Картинка на экране не появляется и все протирания и замена шнура ничего не дала, тогда нужно обратиться в сервис центр.

     Аппаратная часть приставки отказывается работать

    Как решить данную ситуацию:

    Перезагрузите Xbox 360 или выключите приставку и включите заново. Если приставка не выключается то при нажатии на выключение подержите кнопку в течении 5ти секунд .

    Перезагрузка и выключение не помогло то делаем следующее:

    •  Выключаем Xbox 360 полностью от розетки и отключаем все провода AV/HDMI
    •    После небольшого ожидания все обратно подключаем и включаем приставка заново.
    • Приставка отказывается работать и горят красные индикаторы последнее, что можно сделать это, отключить HDD приставки и включить Xbox заново.
    • Обратите внимания на блок питания, он должен гореть зеленым цветом если горит красным, то замените блок питания или обратитесь в сервис центр.

    Xbox 360 показывает 3 огня или ошибка E73- E74

    Во многих случаях Xbox 360, как и другая техника подвержена поломкам и тут нет ничего страшного, это техника и с ней не поспоришь. Обычно 3 огня или ошибка E74 могут быть вызваны не только перегревом приставки, но и ее долгим неиспользованием и хранением ее во влажном помещении. Исправить данную проблему можно двумя способами  обратиться сразу в сервисный центр или провести самостоятельную диагностику Xbox 360.

    Первая помощь при 3х огнях или E73- E74:

    • Выключаем полностью приставку от сети и ждем 40-50 минут, после чего можно ее включать.
    • При включении Xbox 360 на задней стороне приставки посмотрите на вентиляторы, крутятся они или нет.
    • Если приставка показывает все равно ошибки и вентиляторы крутятся, тогда обращайтесь в сервис.

    Как правильно располагать Xbox 360 на поверхности и в закрытом месте

    • Пространство в тумбочке должно быть минимум с правой стороны 15см и с левой, а задняя часть приставки должна быть свободной.
    • Приставку располагайте в вертикальном положении на открытой поверхности, так  охлаждение будет лучше, чем в горизонтальном положении.
    • Не ставьте Xbox 360 на ковровые покрытия, это содействует образованию большого слоя пыли.
    • Так же не стоит ставить приставку рядом с отоплением и нагревательными элементами это сказывается на плохой работе вентиляции Xbox 360.

    Решение проблем собственноручно с перегревом

    Если Xbox 360 перегрелся и показывает код ошибки, то вы можете его отключить от сети и после небольшого ожидания включить. Если отключение не дало результатов то попробуйте поменять термопасту это единственное решение, которое вы можете принять самостоятельно. После смены термопасты если результат остался на том же уровне, то обращайтесь в сервис центр.

    Коды ошибок, которые отображаются на экране телевизора и их описание

    • Ошибка E45 – данная ошибка встречается редко,  в основном это из-за неправильного обновления.
    • Ошибка привода E64 – неправильно прошили привод (ключ не верный)
    • Ошибка E65 схожа с E64 — неправильно прошили привод или привод стоит от другой приставки.
    • Ошибка E66 – привод не совпадает или прошивка старая и несовместима с данным dashboard.
    • Ошибка E67 – показывается в том случае, если Hdd приставки не до конца вставлен или он неисправен.
    • Ошибка E68 – нехватка питания для правильной работы Xbox 360 отключите лишние устройства, если таковы есть.
    • Ошибка E69 – похожа на с ошибку E67, неисправность с  HDD установленным на Xbox.
    • Ошибка E71 – данная проблема связана с dashboard вам нужно (почистить  кеш xbox 360).
    • Ошибка  E72 — проблема вызвана у Nand носителя (нужно перезалить Nand)
    • Ошибка E73 – требуется замена микросхемы, которая отвечает за Ethernet порт.
    • Ошибка E74 – вызвана отказом GPU и требуется реболл видео чипа или его замена.
    • Ошибка E76 – скорей всего вышла одна из микросхем отвечающая за работу Ethernet порта или ее просто сняли и не поставили.
    • Ошибка E79 – проблема с работой винчестера hdd попробуйте его заменить или просто на время отключить.
    • Ошибка E80 – редко встречающая ошибка, но если она у вас появилась, то восстановить ее можно только в сервис центре.

    Определяем код ошибки следующим образом

    • Как только включите приставку,  у вас загорятся красные огни
    • Нажмите на кнопку синхронизации джойстика и удерживайте ее, а кнопку лотка начинаем нажимать,  у вас будут меняться красные индикаторы.
    • Как только поменяется красный индикатор,  это и будет номер кода ошибки.

    Вот так определяем код ошибки фото

    Определение номеров ошибки

    • Горят четыре красных огня – цифра 0
    • Когда горит 1 огонь это цифра 1
    • Когда горит 2-3 это цифра 2 или 2
    • Ну и когда 4 это цифра 4

    Сами номера ошибок и описание

    • Номер ошибки 0001 – Проблема с блоком питания
    • Номер ошибки 0002 – Неисправная работа с сетью и интерфейсом
    • Номер ошибки 0010 – Связана с работой видеочипа или процессора
    • Номер ошибки 0011- Проблема с процессором скорей всего его перегрев и нужна замена
    • Номер ошибки 0012 — Проблема с GPU видео чип процессора перегрелся
    • Номер ошибки 0013 – Блок питания выведен из строя в процессе его перегрева
    • Номер ошибки 0020 – Проблема с приводом и его прошивкой или не контакт GPU (возможно нужен реболл)
    • Номер ошибки 0021 – не контакт CPU требуется Реболл
    • Номер ошибки  0022 — Не контакт CPU требуется Реболл
    • Номер ошибки 0023 – Встречается очень редко, даже практически нет, так как и описания ее тоже нет
    • Номер ошибки 0030 – Данная проблема связана с температурным датчиком охлаждения Xbox
    • Ошибка 0032—0033-0100-0101—0200-1011-1012—1013-1020-1021—1032-1033 — практически не встречаются,  описание тоже нет
    • Номер ошибки 0102 – Неконтакт Gpu требуется Реболл но если есть гарантия то можно вернуть
    • Ошибка 0103 – Не контакт GPU/CPU аналог ошибки 0102
    • Ошибка 0110 – Требуется замена Ram памяти или ее восстановление
    • Ошибка 0203 – Требуется реболл видео чипа
    • Номер ошибки 1000- Испорчен NAND и требуется его восстановление
    • Ошибка 1001 – Неправильно прошили привод Dvd.key неправильный
    • Ошибка 1002 – аналог ошибки 1001
    • Ошибка 1003 – Проблема с винчестером попробуйте его отключить и запустить приставку без него
    • Ошибка 1010 — По определению идентично ошибке E68
    • Ошибка 1022 — Почти как ошибка 1002
    • Ошибка 1023 – Привод консоли отсоединен, подключите его
    • Ошибка 1030 – Неправильная работа Ethernet порта
    • Ошибка 1031 – Связана с питанием блока памяти RAM
    • Ошибка 1100 – Nand неверный либо не от той консоли зашили

    Так же если вы поставили некорректное обновление и пытаетесь его очистить? то многие приведенные описания по его очистки просто не работают.

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